I am sure many of you have had a thought about this, but I (literally) just had this thought. I know it is possible to heal someone's emotional state: for me doing this is much easier than healing physical damage.
Is it possible to heal someone in a way that would bring back lost humanity and/or sanity? Has anyone ever given this a shot?
I am sure someone that suffers from a loss like that probably wouldn't want to be healed, or would have some serious blockage that would prevent them from considering/wanting it. So I am assuming that this type of healing would have to be forced, more so than trying to heal a depressed person who thinks they don't deserve emotional healing.
Would that be considered "black magick"? Forcing someone to regain their humanity . . .
The thing that inspired this thought to cross my mind: I looked into the eyes (a picture) of a person named Jack Thompson. This is a man that is trying (and has tried) to get a ban on video games, says that many of them are "killing simulators" and that quite a few of them are directly responsible for many horrible acts. I am not sure if he truly believes what he says, or if it is just a ploy to make money at everyone else's expense. Researching this guy in the internet is not a very hard thing to do: it would be a good idea to read-up on him a bit. In any event . . .
Many of you may not know this, but I am able to see someone's mental state/health in the form of spheres. This guy is missing massive chunks of his sphere, and it seems to be turning opaque (which is very much not a good thing).
It seems to me that he suffered some super serious emotional trauma when he was young. I would like second and hundredth opinions on that. I could be wrong about the trauma, but it is clear that he has very little, if any, humanity left within himself (and as a result has become insane to a fairly high degree). He seems like a perfect candidate to experiment on with this type of healing seeing as he in the public spot-light and if he were to suddenly, or gradually, change to a more civil demeanor that it would definitely be noticed.
I welcome all of your thoughts and insights.
Is it possible to heal someone in a way that would bring back lost humanity and/or sanity? Has anyone ever given this a shot?
I am sure someone that suffers from a loss like that probably wouldn't want to be healed, or would have some serious blockage that would prevent them from considering/wanting it. So I am assuming that this type of healing would have to be forced, more so than trying to heal a depressed person who thinks they don't deserve emotional healing.
Would that be considered "black magick"? Forcing someone to regain their humanity . . .
The thing that inspired this thought to cross my mind: I looked into the eyes (a picture) of a person named Jack Thompson. This is a man that is trying (and has tried) to get a ban on video games, says that many of them are "killing simulators" and that quite a few of them are directly responsible for many horrible acts. I am not sure if he truly believes what he says, or if it is just a ploy to make money at everyone else's expense. Researching this guy in the internet is not a very hard thing to do: it would be a good idea to read-up on him a bit. In any event . . .
Many of you may not know this, but I am able to see someone's mental state/health in the form of spheres. This guy is missing massive chunks of his sphere, and it seems to be turning opaque (which is very much not a good thing).
It seems to me that he suffered some super serious emotional trauma when he was young. I would like second and hundredth opinions on that. I could be wrong about the trauma, but it is clear that he has very little, if any, humanity left within himself (and as a result has become insane to a fairly high degree). He seems like a perfect candidate to experiment on with this type of healing seeing as he in the public spot-light and if he were to suddenly, or gradually, change to a more civil demeanor that it would definitely be noticed.
I welcome all of your thoughts and insights.
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 7:07 AMWhile it sounds good in theory I wouldn't do it. Ever. Forcing anyone to do ANYTHING, even if its for the best is NOT okay in my book. I feel really strongly about it personally but the definition of "force" may be different to other people. You can support, help, listen, heal, nudge, and encourage but NEVER EVER EVER EVER manipulate someone else's emotions. I do want to be clear that I'm not being aggressive toward YOU about this, its just something that's a major deal for me. But honestly, whatever you choose to do is just that...your choice. Brightest Blessings! -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 7:31 AMI know it is wrong to force someone to do anything. But there are instances where, if healing is not applied, a person could do some serious damage to others. Actually, that happens all the time: people who revel in the pain of others and have no intention of stopping.
I just see it as forcing someone to become good instead of that person staying evil.
Jack Thompson is not the most evil person I have seen, but he a person being consumed by evil and I can't see him stopping.
Currently, he in the process of loosing his license as an attorney in the state of Florida, and I can imagine him doing something violent sometime after he looses his license . . . maybe on the order of bombing a building. That is probably extreme, but in time he may develop the ability to carry out something similar.
Where's an experienced precog when you need one. :)
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 7:43 AMive got to agree with faedra on this one, for lots of reasons. we have our individual perceptions, and from those we judge something as wrong or bad, then we set out to 'fix' it, or in other words to make it conform to our perception of whats good and right... and the fact is, we dont know everything, we know so so little... something may be working itself out on a level or many levels that we have no idea about, but in our zeal we jump in and attempt to short circuit that process... i have learned that when i try to impose my position on another, especially in the name of goodness, or whatever, im on thin ice... and to do so on a consciousness level, without permission or agreement, no, not good... -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 7:58 AMThanks for the response - I was going to say the same thing!
Every person has but limited sight, rather than the whole perspective.
nope, not cool.
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 8:03 AMWould changing an evil person to a good person, by force, really be that bad? I wouldn't know since I have never done it.
The type of healing I am suggesting wouldn't force a person to see things as I see them, just open up that person to what's really in front of them.
I want to restore his sphere, cuz you know . . . its not whole and loosing its light/turning opaque. -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 8:33 AMUnless he seeks you out actively for help, its ethically wrong in my book. I understand that its hard for an Empath to see someone who is in pain and not want to help but there's an old saying "The Road to Hell is paved with Good Intentions" and I think this really personifies it.
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 8:57 AMNobody should be forced into healing. It goes against the individual's Natural process and the basic principles of free-will. It does seem like black magick because it is driven by your personal desire to control him. Perhaps your intervention will cause unexpected effects that you could indirectly be responsible for. For example, it may push him to fight even harder for censorship if he feels emotionally threatened by an unseen force trying to eradicate that which defines him.. Aren't you really just the same as him, as you both believe you know how to clean up society and restore humanity? This is also just my personal opinion, as many believe that imposing their will on others for the greater good is perfectly acceptable behavior. -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 9:53 AMPerhaps we are the same, but opposite ends of the spectrum. My wanting to change people, like him, stems from my hatred of power-mongers and evil-doers.
I know that is something I have to drop-kick out of my system, but I have been having a really hard time with it due to the fact that I can kind of understand why those people do what they do.
Don't take that "understanding" as a blanket statement: there are so very many reasons why people end up seeking power/money and/or turning evil.
Gah, I just don't want to wait for the day that we really start entering a Utopian-type global society. I know that it is gradual and slow process, but I really want to give it a good kick in the right direction. -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 9:57 AMSorry if I am starting to sound violent or aggressive . . . I am currently reading the transcript of one of his latest major cases against gaming. This guy is unbelievable and I am really starting to get offended by the types of things he has been doing.
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 10:00 AM<<This is a man that is trying (and has tried) to get a ban on video games, .... I am not sure if he truly believes what he says, or if it is just a ploy to make money at everyone else's expense.>>
I believe he may have the mental impairments you see, but banning video games doesn't make him any money, despite his perhaps misguided passion. I think a better way to stop him is to discredit whatever argument he uses, thereby discrediting him. If you truly believe he intends to harm someone, call the police. -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 10:53 AMYou are correct: if he were to get video games banned, it would not get him any money. I think he gets his money from the people who know nothing about video games.
People who hear his grandios claims and know nothing about the video games he is constantly attacking become very worried. I know I would if I knew nothing about the subject matter (but I happen to know a great deal about it). He is always drawing very loose associations between certain games and shooting that occur in the US.
Was it Virginia Tech where that one student shot 24 or 28 fellow students and then shot himself? He tried to say that said student "practiced killing" on Counter-Strike before he went out and did what he did. If memory serves me right, that student didn't even play video games. (I think I got some of that wrong, and if you know what I am refering to, then please correct me)
Also, there was a situation where an 18-year-old in Alabama shot 3 police officers and he tried pinning that on Grand Theft Auto. During that trial he was banned from visiting rights, as an attorney, in the state of Alabama.
Those are just a few examples of his tactics. On the whole, the entire gaming community finds his antics to be a form of comedy. Unfortunately, the media uses him for ratings and sometimes supports his behavior.
As for calling the police, I don't really have any evidence that he will do something violent, other then the email he sent the Florida Supreme Court . . . and I am wondering why this guy hasn't been nailed for potential terrorism. Basically he passively threatened to bomb the Florida Bar. His words were:
"Below is what The Florida Bar will look like if [the Florida Supreme] court acts affirmatively on its show cause order, figuratively speaking, of course:"
Link to that site: gamepolitics.com/2008/03/0...-building/
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Re: Restoring another's humanity/sanity
Wed, April 30, 2008 - 2:09 PMNicely written, Gump.
Humanity is not something one can lose, or even misplace.
Consider what imbalance you are trying to correct; his opinions, or your reaction to them. -
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 5:45 PMI was basing it on what I view to be humane: kindness, compassion, respect, etc.
That man seems to be primarily motivated by money, and maybe the need to obtain power. Everything else really seems to be secondary (like helping our youth), if they can even be counted at all. I have been really reading-up on this guy and his behavior.
He claims he is doing it to protect our children, and maybe he is. But he wouldn't even partake in a debate unless he was getting paid to do so by the sum of $3000. Someone wanted to debate him on the terms that neither debatee be paid, and not only did he decline, but he was very rude about it.
There is a plan circulating, within the gamer community, to try and get him to do debates where all expenses (like flight-fare, hotel fees, etc.) be paid and perhaps have him earn a small sum of money for his troubles . . . maybe even have him be paid the full 3k and then have his opponent donate their earned money to a charity. It would all just be in hopes of exposing his motives to those that would believe what he says.
Whether or not that actually happens . . . I cannot say for certain. Seems like a moot point anyway since Thompson has discredited himself more than anyone else I can remember in history.
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 10:10 AMOk~this comparison may seem a little out there and far-fetched, but here goes. I'm wondering if this issue really is a black/white, right/wrong type deal. For some reason, I began to think about Professor X and Jean Grey from the X-men comics. In the story, Jean Grey's telekinetic/psychic powers were virtually limitless. Unfortunately, Jean had not developed the ability to control the extent of her powers which -without control- could be massively destructive. Professor X (who also has psychic power) makes the decision to use his powers to safely keep her powers under manageable control without her knowledge. Otherwise, Jean could potentially desroy herself and everyone around her. I know this is a fictitous situation but ethically speaking I can see why he did what he did. So, if you had the power to save someone from theirself, would you still never ever interfere? -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 10:32 AMIn the specific case of Bryan and Jack T, I think it would be wrong to interfere.
To put in in the terms you delineated:
Jean Grey and X were very close to one another, and it doesn't sound like Bryan has a close relationship with Jack T.
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 10:37 AMYa, I have no affiliation with him, nor do I like him. We have a, ummm . . . whats the word for "opposite of a relationship"? -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 11:26 AMthere is another approach that would, in my book, be ethical, and that would be to send him love, or hold him in love, in consciousness... you'd have to be really really conscious and mindful, because you have some attachment to this 'relationship', so, no attachments, no specifics, no parameters, no directives, no definitions even of what love may or may not look like... no nothin', just love...
im reminded of a lovely buddhist prayer practice, part of which is roughly 'may all beings be free from suffering...'
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 3:36 PMI reached my conclusion a little while ago and decided to do nothing. I wasn't fully aware of how many people hate this guy, and that their combined willpower will do more than what I was hoping to achieve.
I can see this guy bringing an avalanche of discredit (much more than he has already amassed) to what he is trying to do, thus causing the eyes of many others to open up to what video games are really all about. He will be responsible for people going out and obtaining knowledge on things that they may be curious/concerned about.
The only really bad wide-spread thing that might happen is the amount of Christian-bashing that may come from his crusade, as he does what he does in the name of his faith, which is: out-right lying, cursing and name-calling of those that would oppose him, bringing discomfort to mourning families, trying to cause a degree of hysteria, etc.
He really does think he is trying to protect our youth though, and his actions might have actually helped . . . to a (small) degree.
Thanks for saying what was said to stop me from doing something that would have eventually lead me to the "dark side". Much appreciated! And was someone sending me love? Could have sworn I felt some . . . -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 9:36 PMyou all are over my head, but i saw a great link that was a long dissertion on the arrogance of sending some one else light, as if in judgment we are claiming the other as less than them.. i just read that this week end on one of the empathy tribes.
and i will not say i do or do not agree.. as it would be too lengthy supporting my ego...
but are we saying all those moms saying rosaries for their sick alcoholic hubbies or strung out or sick kids are in violation of a cosmic law? i think we might find a balance as we open our minds to see the place where energy lives with honor in both instances...
then see how both ways apply, in what instances and how... like if i had a person with a gun, firing at me.... which i have... then would it be ok to psychicly effect him mind? like in starwars? when luke went to see Javathe hut guy....
so, when is it ok and when is it not?
mom can and victim of violence can, but... salesman cannot...sell you a bridge u do not want.
i will leave all this to the higher minds than mine.. i just want to love some one being cranky at me, in order ot not be hurt by them...
am i a violator of cosmic law? i guess iwill have karma to pay.. we will see.
this was fun to type.
thank you all for this forum.
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 9:41 PMIt's getting murkier...I had cancer last year, was treated, in remission/cured by August. Experienced recurrence of symptoms a month ago, tests were negative, but several people did a lot of praying for me. My symptoms subsided as mysteriously as they came. Do I believe the prayers helped? For sure. -
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 5:51 AMprayers rock, especially group prayers...my husband's granparents go to a little church with other elderly people (they are so cute) and put my baby and me on their prayer list when we needed it. It totally helped. God totally rocks it that way!
I am really glad your symptoms subsided. That's great news!
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 6:47 AMI recently read something online about the difference between helping and serving. Now, of course, I can't find it. :-) Anyway, it really hit home, because I have found myself trying to help, or essentially "fix" what I see as someone's problem that they can't see, and which I can only partially understand. I realized how arrogant this was, especially since it usually made the problem worse. However you might be more experienced at handling this, so I'm not labelling you arrogant or anything...clearly your intentions are to prevent harm to people. But it helps me to think of serving, i.e. being a conduit for positive change however it needs to take place, instead of trying to force MY way of doing it. It's much easier on me and I'm not viewed as pushy and arrogant that way...all good things!! -
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 6:57 AMthat's a good way to put it too. I've noticed that a lot of times when people are angry at one another it's because they are upset/frustrated that said person is not acting the way they want them to act.
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 1:11 PMWell you know, the things I were at first was just him causing emotional damage to others and himself. Being a healer, I felt the need to help heal him mostly so he would stop hurting others. Since something like this required it to be forced, it seemed to walking all of the grounds of morality: "He is not only hurting himself, but others to . . . so wouldn't it be ok to heal him?" "Forcing one's abilities onto to another without permission is a bad thing . . . what if it has some really really bad consequences?"
Those were just a few of the thoughts that went through my head. In times like those, I turn to our community for help: other perspectives, experiences, etc. So ya, it was made clear (after a short time) that I should just do nothing: let things happen the way they want to happen since everything happens for a reason.
Besides, I don't want to do something that would put me on the path to becoming an evil clairvoyant. I like healing others and being helpful. It makes me happy and I would very much like it to stay that way. -
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 1:13 PMShould read:
"Well you know, the things I were concerned about at first were . . . "
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 11:35 PMWhat a lovely post. Thank you. -
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 11:36 PMWhat a lovely post. Thank you Rachel.
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 10:53 PMThis is a very interesting topic, and it is of major importance I think. on the one hand we speak of a power that we alone posses, and the majority of responses are that to force someone against there will is a bad thing, I would agree with this. I do however believe the universe to be much more multi faceted than simple answers of right and wrong. If it were that easy we would have a ten paged pamphlet explaining how we could all get along together solving war hunger etc. etc.. I believe that it is as a general rule a very wise thing not to interfere. I also believe it is wiser to know when to act and being willing to sometimes suffer the consequences of your action. Ultimately the universe will judge us for the the things we did do and the things we did not do. The path to wisdom is through council and action. you were given a power for a reason it is you who must decide how to use it. I believe that to use it right you must be willing to use it wrong. and always be willing to question your actions and motivations. -
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 8:53 PMhmmmm, sorry to disagree with so many, but I think that helping/healing/praying for another without asking is okay!
I want to pray for so many poeple, including people who I think are realllllly down the wrong path, and I think that it could not hurt anything!!!
Now, Im not saying I send my energy to 'change' any course they are taking - but I see nothing wrong with sending more positive energy or more of God's guidance in their direction! I certainly dont want to have to call all the poeple I pray for and make sure that its ok. and I pray for people that I dont evein like, because whats wrong with sending good, spiritual energy to someone on a bad path? might help them grow too. We are all this planet to grow, and why not remember that everyone has that job and that capacity and I want to send any help I can. -
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 9:52 PMHmmm Akasha, they could be on what you consider to be a 'bad' 'wrong' path so that they may grow. And, they may not fancy anything from your god anyway, but too bad here it comes! :)
For me intention is very powerful, if you must send whatever to anyone and aren't in a position to ask verbally for their permission, why not send it with the intent that they only receive it if they want it. Isn't that a useful way to respect the freewill and reality of others?
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 10:02 AMThats a good way of putting it too, im always trying to find a way to sence of they want help without having to call someone I dont know. so, if there was a way to couch it like that - that they only need it if they want it, or kind of asking their subconscious or their aura and seeing if I can sence an answer? -
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 2:52 PMI pray for people all the time. I pray for their strength and happiness in life...that they are able to attain all that will help them be the best they will be. But I am careful to understand that what I think is best for them is not necessarily the way i† should be. That's where I think the intention and forcing of energy onto someone else isn't the best idea comes from. I don't know if I am explaining it articulately. :-/ I pray for them to get what is best for them, wholly and purely, from God not pray for them to get/be/do/act how I think it should go.
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