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Recently I traveled through Utah and picked up so much Mormon energy that it was overpowering. Anyone who knows me, knows that I am not an organized religon guy, but suddenly I was going to their church. Luckily, I escaped. I really need to learn how to protect myself against group conciousness. Does anyone else have this problem under control and can you tell me how you shield yourself?
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Re: Joining group consciousness danger - I need help with this
Mon, January 26, 2009 - 11:20 AMYes, I have this problem, always have since I was a kid, but it was more influence from Individuals, not groups or organizations at large, but then the more people you are around with like minds, the stronger it is.
I am a hypersensitive morphic empath. But one has too step back and see what they felt, was it good or bad, was it light or darkness. Just because one is influenced, that may not always be a bad thing. When around depressed people, well you guessed it, I am depressed, and vise versa around happy people. One has to step back, and see for oneself of what you felt and understood good or bad or neither actually.
I guess it depends on what you are looking for as well too. I have always been a seeker of truth, physically, mentally and spiritually. I have always felt like a alien here on earth, with those I have been around and grew up with. I used to attend the Presbyterian Church as a youth, as that is where my Aunt went, as my parents were not religious at all. But in late high school, I realized fully that God was not there in full, that things were missing. They appeared to be good people, but the Church itself was lacking, no further understanding, how to evolve spirally and be more God and Christ like. When young, I aways was on the look out for where I was fit in, but then too being Empathic was part of that too.
Anyway, after the military, I started to sturdy all religions, but none seemed to fit what I understood. Each had truth, but not the complete plan. One day while in college, I was on my way to eat in the college cafeteria, and saw these two young men in white shirts and ties and they had tables and large display boards. I felt a very strong pull from my spirit, to stop and talk, but was hungry, so passed them by. But the feelings of the spirit in me, grew so strong I could not resist, so returned to visit with the.
I could feel my spirit connecting with what they said, and their spirits, and after I held a Book of Mormon in my hand and read a few lines, I knew it was the true word of God restored upon earth for today people. I have never looked back and I have never doubted what I felt then. Being so sensitive and empathic, I have always felt the Holy Ghost very strongly within me, I have always felt and made decisions with its council, choosing it over my own feelings and fears and those of others who constantly invade me 24/7.
When I first attended church with them, before I was baptized, I knew I was home, and my people. Though even here, I find myself a light year ahead of most, I use that to help them, but in many ways they also help me.
But beyond that, the people are only part of it, the truth and light and spirit lie in the doctrines, truths and light which have been restored. Having always been aware of the controlling influence of others, I have learned to choose what I want to do. I don't so much feel controlled by them, but feeling their spirits and vibes raises me up, and makes me feel at home and good.
One has to know and study the scriptures, and use the Holy Ghost to guide you, to find the truths hidden on the Earth, Darkness is good at hiding the truth, so one does not complete their missions here and find their way back to our creator.
Being influenced is not always bad, as long as we can separate ourselves and realize who we are and keep on our path, and not get pulled off. I find far greater danger and force from those of darkness who try to pull me from my path, then those who are good well meaning folks.
I am sensitive enough to most often recognize other active Mormons and some other Christian and other good people, just by the vibes they give off, to put it simply. And too for most of us, we are drawn to those like us, and we feel comfortable around them. I even hear that from other sensitive Mormons as well, other active Mormons and other similarly good people of light, glow, there is something different about them and you notice it. Just like wise, I am quickly repulsed by those who are in darkness and who are emotional vampires and etc.
In any case, when I have major decisions to make, I never make them until I can have time to myself, and be away from outside influences. That gives one an edge too, if you remember to do, when you pursued by sales people on the phone or at a store or a car lot, I have decided to not listen to them and decide now, to protect myself, and it really helps but you have to make that decision ahead of time. If you do not, and have to decide each time it happens, you are left vulnerable each time.
Did that help.
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Re: Joining group consciousness danger - I need help with this
Mon, February 2, 2009 - 2:10 AMhi david by morphic empath do you mean you take the shape of the people you sare exposed to psychically
would you care to explain
peace shan
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Re: Joining group conciousness danger - I need help with this
Wed, January 28, 2009 - 9:07 AMAvastar,
As always, my opinion is that meditation will be the answer. I like Zen methods myself. The world wheels around you, but at the center there is a place that does not move, it is truly quiet. Its like clearing your desk so you can work. Things will come to you while you seek quiet, and all you have to do is let them go so that they do not stay on your desk. Some will end up in the 'in box', and some will end up in the 'circular file'. Just let them pass. When you find that quiet, then look at your self, feel yourself. Remember what you alone feel like. Then you can always ask yourself if what you are feeling is yours.
Having a clear desk is good, as then you can take out one thing at a time and devote your full attention to it, and that is the real prize from meditating.
Remember that your voice is more important than 10,000 voices, as each one is an individual. You are the prime mover in your universe, and all else is second. -
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Re: Joining group conciousness danger - I need help with this
Wed, January 28, 2009 - 9:50 PMWill,
YES! Meditation takes you to the essence that you are and out of the mind that you are NOT. From that space ......what you need appears.
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Re: Joining group conciousness danger - I need help with this
Wed, January 28, 2009 - 10:09 AMAvastar,
I don't shield myself from anything. I actually don't believe in it because I don't believe in 'good or bad'!! If I buy into things as being 'bad' then I live in fear of those things. For me, people either come from fear or Love and it is up to us to learn discernment so we can decide what we want to be around. I once belonged to a Spiritualist church, I loved what they stood for as it was everything I felt so strongly in my soul. However, after a year went by I began seeing things I did not agree with, they began to single people out and ask them to leave the church. I stepped back and watched as fear was being spread through the pastor on down to certain people. This fear exists in all walks of life, not just religion. Oddly enough, a psychic gave me a reading 5 years earlier and told me I would put all my faith in something and it would crumble..and I would need to make a decision. I cried like a baby when I made the decision to leave the church, I loved these people, and I so enjoyed being with them AND they helped me heal so much!! But I learned to put faith in my self and not others. I am not saying there is anything wrong with churches or religions, it was my lesson to learn to have faith in myself...and not a foundation or structure.
Always, always follow your heart as it will never steer you wrong!! Feel out the situation, it may not have been the mormon religion you were picking up on but possibly the energy in the area or a person. Or it could have been a past life thing!! One never knows!! I try to remain open to everything and use my feelings as my guidance!! Trust your self!!
Sherri
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Re: Joining group conciousness danger - I need help with this
Thu, January 29, 2009 - 8:37 AMI find I have the opposite reaction. When I attended my friend's church I was really freaked out by the group emotion. I wanted to run away and I wasn't totally sure why. It wasn't an intellectual "think for yourselves" reaction on my part...there was something that just pushed me away about it. I think, actually, it is the fear of being totally absorbed by it...kind of like what you are talking about with getting sucked in by the Morman energy. Maybe that would happen to me if I didn't flee at the first sign! :-p
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Re: Joining group conciousness danger - I need help with this
Thu, January 29, 2009 - 4:20 PMAvastar,
I pick up others feeling too. I don't shield myself. I have studied different religions through out my life. They seem to intrigue me. I have found through all my research that when you get down to it they all have the basic principle of Love and oneness.
I do not belong to any organized religion. Nature is my church. You should not feel that you need to protect yourself . Everything you learn is a new lesson that you were meant to learn on your journey in this life.
Michelle
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Re: Joining group conciousness danger - I need help with this
Sat, January 31, 2009 - 8:42 AMYou need to imagine a bubble like super mario of electric blue around your aura - that will filter others energy especially neg. and your will be able to see whats other peoples energy without sucking up. It acts like a filter, and not a block.
If you are absorbing what you do not want - go into a meditative state - concentrate on your breathing - when you breath in your belly goes out repeat and then breath in thru nose and out thru mouth. Do this for 5min. then go inside and look at the Solar Plexus chakra it is the third one and about where your ribs meet. It should be sunshine yellow and should not be too wide open or big. see what size it is.
Then imagine it bright sunny yellow, and only 5cms across. Spin it your can spin with a finger if it helps clockwise to the right and to the good.
If this is too open you will absorb stuf and feel it as your own at times.
Another important thing is to ground yourself. and get your energy running linear as it supposed to, See two spirals of light dancing within your spine. One spiral enters thru top of your head and the energy travels down to the earth and the other enters from the earth thru the base of your spine, Concectrate on one from heaven and breath down the golden energy till it floods your wholebody with light and then goes into the earth. Then see the silver light from mother earth breath it up through base of spine. Practice, daily. Until it is flowing like a double helix up and down the spine. and you are not going up and down like an elevator. When you can watch it happening and have mastered it, It could take only 6-10 Breaths. Its just hard at first like everything.
This is the correct way to breath and your energy should be flowing up and down, not giving it out and pulling in other peoples stuf.
The force of group consciousness is very strong, and we are group or tribal creatures, so the pull is strong. So in doing the above excercises you will strengthening your own will over your own energies.
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Re: Joining group conciousness danger - I need help with this
Sat, January 31, 2009 - 7:51 PMThis post is exactly the help I knew was out there. I will print it and memorize it. Not that the other posts weren't helpful. I am grateful to everyone for your input.
The intrusion of group consciousness energy that takes over and becomes so powerful that your own consciousness believes that it is your own is very dangerous to me and I need the kind of spiritual exercise outlined here to ensure that I stay on my own path and in my own lessons here.
Yes, I have explored many religions also, enjoying the multiplicity of perspectives of others. However, I have my own spiritual path and perspective. Normally, when exposed to one or a few people's beliefs, my own logical and strong mind is able to guard itself. Absorbing so much "Mormon" energy in Utah, driving through Mormon towns and cities, I began to feel and believe what the group consciousness believed. That may be viewed by some, who ascribe to Mormon or Christian beliefs, as benign, but to an empath with his own spiritual path it was an unwanted intrusion. Fortunately, my lifestyle and business necessitated that I be away from the group for long enough that the energy dissipated. and I was able to regain my own perspective.
Now that I know I am susceptible to strong group consciousness, I will try to recognize when I am going into an area with a strong group identity and use the visualization exercises given here.
You know, there are probably a lot of empathic people, who don’t know that’s who they are, in groups, believing as the group believes, and not knowing that they are absorbing the thoughts and emotions of others. Not to pick on anyone as ‘good or bad’, but think of the Jim Jones group or the ‘Moonies’. No doubt there are, or were, people who absorbed the group consciousness and never realized that what they are, or were, doing wasn’t really their own spiritual path.
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Re: Joining group conciousness danger - I need help with this
Thu, February 5, 2009 - 6:17 PMI am amazed that what Daid wrote could have just as well come from my own pen. It was my group religion and the greater society in which it existed that clued me in that something was terribly amiss in that interpretation of reality. I have only recently been blessed with the experience of Unity Consciousness, and am actively involved in the planetary ascension, and this is done on an individual level as we bring light into the darkness of whatever fractal of existence we are experiencing.
It is an honor to among so many wonderful enlightened beings.
LOVE TO ALL, JUDGMENT FOR NONE, FOR WE ARE ONE.
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Re: Joining group conciousness danger - I need help with this
Thu, February 5, 2009 - 6:18 PMI am amazed that what Daid wrote could have just as well come from my own pen. It was my group religion and the greater society in which it existed that clued me in that something was terribly amiss in that interpretation of reality. I have only recently been blessed with the experience of Unity Consciousness, and am actively involved in the planetary ascension, and this is done on an individual level as we bring light into the darkness of whatever fractal of existence we are experiencing.
It is an honor to among so many wonderful enlightened beings.
LOVE TO ALL, JUDGMENT FOR NONE, FOR WE ARE ONE.
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