Feeling Unsafe

topic posted Thu, January 29, 2009 - 9:54 AM by  Laurie
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I am new to tribe and I must say how much I really appreciate this group. Being an empath I have felt very lonely most of my life, even in situations of supposedly healing, or healing trainings I've been. In the family I was raised in I was always given the strong message that what I perceived (empathically) was NOT true and that is partly why I have a very hard time believing the conflicting messages inside me to what was being presented.

Also so many people saying things they don't mean and presenting themselves falsely, even though I know often they themselves are unaware. I've felt so weird in life and it helped a lot when I realized that my feelings could actually be feelings I was picking up from other people and that the impressions that were opposite of what people were saying might actually be hidden truth.

I feel very unsafe for the most part because many people in this culture seem to not really want to know the truth and people who come to be healed do not really want to be healed. I have had just as hard a time in the "alternative" cultures usually, people seem just as misrepresenting.

Even writing that I feel like I might be attacked somehow, or told that I am wrong. Anyone else relate to this at all? Maybe it is the fact that "critical" thinking is so prized, many people look out at the world from that perspective and I pick up on that, as if many people are poking at me with spears, trying to critically evaluate me, just a thought.
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  • Re: Feeling Unsafe

    Thu, January 29, 2009 - 10:29 AM
    Alas, it is our fate isn't it. Sometimes it is difficult to parse away that which is not ours, and find our own true nature, let alone heal the malaise of others.

    That 'alternative culture' is just another camoflage. The real people who are doing what they can to seek wellness and enlightenment are not confined to a demographic. Just as the self serving and hateful are everywhere as well.

    I end up saying the same thing over and over...Find the peace and stillness at the center of yourself, and then you have a reference to see if what you feel is truly yours.
    • Re: Feeling Unsafe

      Thu, January 29, 2009 - 10:08 PM
      Hey Will,
      I keep bumping into you on different tribes and I very much appreciate that you do say the same thing over and over. It's always worth saying over and over. I agree "find the peace and stillness at the center of yourself and then you have a reference to see if what you feel is truly yours."

      I would also like to say to the poster of this discussion.......as hard as at might be to accept, much of the world is totally sleeping and trapped in a disfunctionally operating mind. To truly love those who have eyes, but can not see, who create suffering constantly, one needs to truly accept it as you would any other illness. Yes, they seem scary. They make a lot of what I refer to as "energy noise." There is no stillness or space. And yes, they seek out others to feed and grow this negative energy that they perceive within themselves as their true selves. Pay less attention to the behaviors of others and more attention to what is behind it. Then you'll notice that the only way to truly put out fire is with water or let it burn itself out without you ever doing anything to it.

      And yes, as a massage therapist , I can tell you that it is totally true that much of the "alternative culture" is just another camoflage. It is another attempt of the ego to create another, less obvious ego-image labeled "spiritual" and the funny thing is that very few ever realize that they've just created another image to cling to and feed the ego. I was actually stuck there myself for a while and can only hope that my ignorance at the time did not cause anyone emotional damage that needs many incarnations to repair.

      They only seem scary because the light that you are has not become bright enough to see the scared little children that THEY are. Send only love to them no matter what. As Will said "find the peace and stillness at YOUR center." You will find that THAT within you is far more powerful than anything else.

      Namaste
      • Re: Feeling Unsafe

        Fri, January 30, 2009 - 12:13 AM
        I've spent quite a bit of time alone for that very reason, one thing that bothers me is when people lie , and to see them do it , sometimes even unaware that they are projecting a false image , or acting in a sense, is frustrating for people like us. Trust your instincts , I have found after many years of self doubt , that my first instincts about most people are dead on. I do not always see its my job to inform them or call them on it , as people will only change and quit lying to themselves when they are ready to do so in the right time on their personal journey.

        I know from personal experience that my tolerance , and ability for forgiveness is direct result of some of the times I stumbled upon my own wrong turns , and from the times I as a young man was called on my bullshit . Now in hindsight I cringe at some of the foolish stunts I pulled , but also know that I am much better off as a result of having those that matter the most to me , forgive me for my stumbles.

        I just try to give the benefit of the doubt , give random acts of friendship and kindness , and accept others , and hope that in doing so , make them feel secure enough with their true self , to not have to present themselves in a false light.
  • Re: Feeling Unsafe

    Thu, January 29, 2009 - 10:57 AM
    You are describing my life, and I think the life of many Empaths here and else where.that I have chatted with. This site seems pretty safe, I also go to the Indigo Society which I found before this place, There it is very very real world, with many dark ones who are really only there to eat you up and mess with you mind, and try to pull you off your path. There are many good people there too, but many are not Empaths, but have other gifts and abilities, and some are just wannabees. The problem there, the manager/owner does not have the gonads to kick off the trouble makers, so everyone suffers. He also get paid for the hits and ads, so why I guess do anything as long as the members count stays up.


    I grew up in the 50s and 60s, talk about growing up in the dark ages. Today I am lucky to have a empathic wife, could not say that 15 years ago, was married then to an abusive controller who thought I was evil and wicked, and that there was no way i could know and understand the things I did. I was aways this way, but during this time, I started to develop and be more open about my abilities which were developing.

    For me, I find that many if not most do not want to know the truth and they don't like you seeing them for what they really are, they don't want to hear truths of light, which might force to have to make changes. You have to understand, that for most people ,what they see, hear and feel stops with what they can see, hear and touch, but for us, that is not the limit, and they don't like changes, it is scary for most.

    It is often hard to separate what I am feeling, from others until it is too late. I have classed myself as hypersensitive morphic empath. Not only do I sense others feelings as my own, I can take on their attitudes until they are out of my presence. This morning was a mess, I woke feeling like crap, with my own problems, but I guess some where my wife, she told me she could not sleep much last night and had a terrible headache. So I guess that added to the my pains and already feeling super horny because it has been a week, and with my wife feeling ill. Then her son who lives outside temporarily in her trailer. Barges in this morning and wants to take a shower before going to college, but my wife is in the bathroom and just gotten out and needs to get ready, so she can go to work, she is a teacher.

    It was too much with everything going on, and words were said, and I got my two cents in too. I told him why doesn't he take a shower in the evening, instead of in the mornings, and told me, he lived here too. But in my frame of mind, he is a lazy leaching A hole, to is a opportunist. My logic tells me, this is my home, and no matter how old you are, there are still parents and rules and if you don't like it, move out. My wife works hard, and doesn't need him in her face, while she is trying to get to work, to help pay the bills, so we don't loose our cars and home. But I try to deal with the situation, because he is now trying to better himself by getting and education and a job in the future.

    I find that the hardest thing about being a hypersensitive empath, is being hypertensive, not only feeling but my body and minds reaction is greater. I feel pain and joy to a much greater degree, as some empaths do, something on the order of like many to 10 times more, so I get so much easily overwhelmed, stressed and whacked out.

    Everything affects me, even the moon and etc, besides others and I guess things I am not aware of. The full moon, hard to go to sleep and stay asleep, last quarter moon, makes me more stressed and horny for some reason, New moon does weird things to me too. But I find the greater the pain, the greater the joy and pleasure, I guess it is a package deal.

    Growing up as a youth, I could never figure out why others caused me so much pain, and why they seemed to have so much control over me in forcing me to do what they wanted. Now I know they were in my head, I understand more now why I stayed more to myself, and was very selective about my freinds and who I hung out with. But even then, I felt like a Alien from space who had somehow been dropped here on this earth by mistake.

    David
  • Re: Feeling Unsafe

    Thu, January 29, 2009 - 5:10 PM
    I grew up a loner myself. When I questioned our church at age 12 as to why some of my dreams would come true or that I would know that someone was ill .They told me that I was being foolish and only someone dark would have those thoughts.
    My parents were aware of my abilities and I was allowed to go on my own spiritual path. I had very few friends growing up because most thought me weird or into occult,whatever. lol
    I have to admit I would often entertain myself by others reactions when the things I would tell them came true. I can think of someone and have them contact me. I was warned to move out of Northridge,Cal. one year before the 94 quake rocked that area. I know when weather is going to be bad. I know by feelings if friends or family are in trouble,ill or just need to talk.
    These are things I've lived with all my life and thankfully my husband was open to my weirdness from the start and after 29 yrs of marriage is quite used to my abilties. Though it still weirds him out when I tell him what he's thinking. lol
    The only times in my life when I have felt Un-safe or gone through some bad spots through life are when I did Not Listen to those voices,feelings and dreams. Now I am very open to my Empathic abilities and I relie on them to be with me on my journey.
    • Re: Feeling Unsafe

      Sun, February 8, 2009 - 2:54 PM
      This is so funny. I was reading this discussion out loud to my husband and he was just shaking his head. He's amazed and very happy that I am finally finding others like me. He laughed out loud when I read what you wrote, "Though it still weirds him out when I tell him what he's thinking. lol"

      Yep, after all these years my husband still gets a kick out of me picking up his cravings and his plans, lol. And he also feels a bit bad when I can't sleep in the same room as him because he is composing music in his head while he's sleeping. And he still feels a bit violated when I read his subtle facial and body movements and know the direction of his musings and thoughts before he does. I do try to control that these days, lol!

      Wow, so amazing to be around like minded people! So, either I'm not an alien or y'all are from the same alien family!
  • Re: Feeling Unsafe

    Thu, January 29, 2009 - 6:57 PM
    I just lost a very close friend because she didn't want to hear the Truth. It was painful for us both. Very painful. She was to be the Godmother of my unborn child and within two days of this conversation transpiring, I picked up on the fact that she's in more of a partying phase in her Life, despite being a fantastic Mom. She ended up bringing her kids to a home where it's not totally safe, then drank with some girlfriends there till 5am without one Sober Adult around and 5 little kids, one being a 3 month old of the woman who's home this was in. I'm 100% not Kosher with this since she was to be my daughters Godmother. I had to have the conversation with her, with as little judgment as possible. I kept referring the issue back to me and how I grew up being hurt because of alcohol and drugs. She absolutely could not handle the conversation. Kept going back to the "How Dare you Judge Me" instead of realizing that she's so much better than that. She is. She's just in a phase but nevertheless, I can't in good faith leave my daughter to her right now. This conversation pretty much ended our friendship because her ego was so hurt and she wouldn't accept that I had a right to feel anything about her parenting, even tho she could end up mothering my daughter. Additionally, she knew she was making improper concessions that she wouldn't normally make b/c she's desperate for a Life right now. (she's 34 yr old a single mom w a 4 yr old and a 7 year old) She just hasn't figured that part out yet. She's in the Raw Feeling state of "I didn't do anything wrong" vs "Why do I feel so shitty about this??"

    It was such a hard situation because I intrinsically knew she would not be able to handle the situation no matter how delicately I expressed how I felt, but I could not keep quiet because my daughter will dictate my choices first and foremost. I knew my friend would feel she did something wrong, but would not know internally how to reconcile this emotion at this point, because it came from an outside source. She will reconcile it eventually and will not always be angry with me for sharing how I felt about this... but it's going to take some real time. Having the courage to express what I felt regardless of an outcome that I knew would hurt us both, was one of the most difficult things I've done. So much so that I ended up in the hospital the next day because of the turmoil I felt over hurting a friend's feelings. I knew I wasn't wrong.. but I hurt because she was hurt and I could feel it and it manifested into a huge physical stress.

    For the most part I always keep my feelings inside because mostly that's where they belong. But because this was such a delicate situation, my integrity as a person who is responsible for another life took precedence over me not wanting to 'hurt' another by sharing a truth. A Truth which she values as well, but doesn't quite understand yet. That's a ballsy thing to say, but I *feel* it from her, *know* it. It's a tough situation b/c I understand totally that she's lonely. But I have to represent my family first and always.

    You're very right about most people not wanting to hear the Truth. It's applicable on many many levels... There are Truth's yet that I'm not ready for.. I *know* them.. but just don't want to accept them yet. Growing isn't easy and we are the ones who have to choose at what point we break through a wall or the wall breaks us. There's a lot of stagnation out there.. I'm coming out of a phase recently myself and it hurts at times but I recognize and appreciate the opportunity.

    K
    • Re: Feeling Unsafe

      Fri, January 30, 2009 - 7:43 AM
      I am learning as I go like everyone else. My daughter is an empath and has a lot of innate wisdom and I have always recognized that in her and believed what she sees, I think that has made a big difference between me and her in the world. She is very strong and centered, she believes in herself and trusts her intuition, which helps her very much to be in the world. I am grateful that I can give her what I did not receive, both my children (she is 19, my son is 15) have strong boundaries and are very well developed as individuals, they are able to trust their instincts. I realize I could start to parent myself, give myself what I give them, and go from there. Tough time right now, part has to do with transiting Venus in my eighth house. I appreciate hearing others' experiences as an empath in this world. Thank you.
      • Re: Feeling Unsafe

        Fri, January 30, 2009 - 7:55 AM
        "start to parent myself, give to myself what I gave to them"

        It's been easier in a lot of ways to give to my kids what I have a hard time giving to myself. Like you, I never received these things growing up. I was mostly abandoned, physically and in other ways. Most of what I learned, I did through understanding what *not* to do..what hurt that was done by me. Wasn't until a few years ago that I valued what my Mother had taught me. She just taught me in a very different way. Maybe that was exactly how I needed to be taught in this Life. Though I still don't like to accept that. I think every child deserves Love.

        I hope my children will never learn through deprivation, instead that they learn through Love and security in my Love for them. Your children sound wonderful and you sound like a terrific, grounded Mother. Perhaps one day, when my kids are grown (3 boys ages 6,7 & 11.. girl on the way) I too will be able to share some of that same Love with myself.

        Katrina
        • Re: Feeling Unsafe

          Fri, January 30, 2009 - 10:37 AM
          "Wasn't until a few years ago that I valued what my Mother had taught me." I relate to that, my mother could not validate my intuitive self but she did model for me the value of routine for health and well being, something that was a very foreign concept to me, probably as foreign to me as my intuitive ways were to her. I think we have gained so much the more we have learned to love and respect each other's natural ways.

          I really think being an empath has greatly aided me in my mothering because I am always able to tune into my children emotionally and so I am much more able to offer them my mothering appropriately. I have to say that being empathic as a Mom has been one of the best things about being an empath for me, but I digress, perhaps I will make this topic another thread.
  • Re: Feeling Unsafe

    Mon, February 9, 2009 - 6:07 PM
    I'll echo the chorus and say that this is a very familiar feeling to me, too. People often don't want to know that they are misrepresenting themselves - which took me a few "shoot the messenger" encounters to figure out. The closer you strike to truth, the more people will defend if they also feel unsafe by your perception. I also feel unsafe, because of this spear-poking and dismissal of intuition-based assessments. I have come to rely heavily on expressing the empath side through critical analysis (i.e. psychologically) because it is so much more excepted. This is a big chore, one I'm sure a lot of us do to navigate the logical waters. Maybe one day empathy will be more accepted as something real!
    • Re: Feeling Unsafe

      Mon, February 9, 2009 - 6:08 PM
      Accepted, not excepted. Sorry, long day. :-)
      • Re: Feeling Unsafe

        Tue, February 10, 2009 - 6:04 PM
        I hear you Rachel. It's difficult to validate through psychological terms sometimes if I don't know much about the situation personally, otherwise I most often use that technique as well. The only people I don't have to do that with are my very very closest friends. They already know I'm nuts : ) (too them of course... but nuts with an eerily keen insight so they listen anyways)

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