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I had quite a remarkable realization a couple of weeks ago, and didn't get a chance to write a post about it then, so let me tell you about it now. Maybe this sounds familiar.
Like everyone else, I dream in my sleep. Sometimes I remember my dreams and other times I don't-- just like everyone.
I don't know what it was-- some combination of supplements-- maybe an OD of Flax oil-- I don't know.
But I had a dream-- and at this point I don't even remember what it was about, but it was one of the most amazing dreams In my life!
You won't believe why. In the dream I was having a conversation. Real English words, just like everyday life. It was a long conversation, and the content itself wasn't as important, as the conversation itself.
It occurred to me that I NEVER have conversations in my dreams. In fact in my whole life-- of all the amazing dreams I've had-- including lucid dreams, I can't ever remember ever having a verbal conversations.There is certainly communication. There is always a mildly telepathic consistent understanding. That's communication. But never verbal conversations.
So I started asking around, I discovered that most people DO have conversations in their dreams.
Do you?
Like everyone else, I dream in my sleep. Sometimes I remember my dreams and other times I don't-- just like everyone.
I don't know what it was-- some combination of supplements-- maybe an OD of Flax oil-- I don't know.
But I had a dream-- and at this point I don't even remember what it was about, but it was one of the most amazing dreams In my life!
You won't believe why. In the dream I was having a conversation. Real English words, just like everyday life. It was a long conversation, and the content itself wasn't as important, as the conversation itself.
It occurred to me that I NEVER have conversations in my dreams. In fact in my whole life-- of all the amazing dreams I've had-- including lucid dreams, I can't ever remember ever having a verbal conversations.There is certainly communication. There is always a mildly telepathic consistent understanding. That's communication. But never verbal conversations.
So I started asking around, I discovered that most people DO have conversations in their dreams.
Do you?
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Re: dream curious...
Sat, December 20, 2008 - 2:47 PMReally? I have never asked the question, so I have been assuming that it is normal to have conversations in one's dreams. I know this sounds ridiculous, but I have even been told jokes in my dreams that I wake myself up laughing about! -
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Sat, December 20, 2008 - 4:40 PM[There is always a mildly telepathic consistent understanding]
Yes, this is how most of my dreams are, rarely conversations. I've never really thought about this though and what it could mean.
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Sat, December 20, 2008 - 5:13 PMHere is a dream that I once had that involve some conversation. It was significant enough to me that I actually wrote it down:
< I am a disembodied consciousness at an enormous pagoda about as long as a New York City block. The pagoda is red, gold, and black. People are having tea there. I am aware of an East Indian woman and know her thoughts. I know that she knows something no one else does about the pagoda. She knows that in the first tier roof are hidden enormous columns made of precious stones that run horizontally the whole length of the roof -- solid diamond, emerald, etc. The wealth of an entire nation is hidden there, and I know that she plans to use it for her own gain. At this point I enter into the consciousness of a second East Indian woman who has come along. I become her in a fashion, but I cannot completely communicate the secret to her. Nevertheless, she approaches the first woman and says "I know it all. I know what you are up to." The first woman shrugs her off, but the second woman knows that she believes her. The second woman then leaves the pagoda and goes down through a stand of trees. The area is a beach resort. There is a long woven grass awning supported by bamboo poles. It is dusk and tiki torches light this wall-less structure. As the second woman walks under it, she meets up with an American tourist that she somehow knows. He is wearing a double-breasted blue blazer with brass buttons and has sand-colored hair and beard. She knows his name is Mike Waters. (I do not know anyone by that name). She approaches him and asks him where he is going. He says he is heading for a restaurant to have dinner, and she asks if she can delay him to tell him something important, and he agrees. She leads him toward the beach in an effort to get away from people who might overhear her. As they stand along the shore, she puts her hands on his elbows and tells him that if he soon learns that she has died, he must not believe it is from natural causes. She will have been killed for a secret she knows and she must communicate it to him lest it die with her. (She says this without knowing the full secret -- she does not know about the columns hidden in the roof -- but somehow she knows that she can tell him). At that moment she feels a tremor throughout her body (I "felt" this in the dream), and she says "I feel a vision coming on." Her vision is communicated to him through her hands on his elbows, and the two of them then become totally and utterly encrusted with jewels. At this point the telephone woke me up.>
I admit that the conversations were not extensive banter, but there was dialogue nonetheless.
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Re: dream curious...
Sat, December 20, 2008 - 6:02 PM
yes, Paul, i have conversations in dreams.
i understand how amazing a dream can seem when a previously
un-present element, especially an element of everyday life,
enters one's dreaming. fascinating stuff : ) glad to hear you're
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Sat, December 20, 2008 - 7:05 PMI have always had conversations in my dreams, as far as I can remember. One thing about dreams that I experience is that I may not remember them when i wake up the following morning , but certain triggers that come along during my waking hours , will make me remember those particular dreams, and the conversations I had in them at a later date. I sometimes remember dreams from months or even years ago, which although at first made me feel a little strange , I've come to fully accept as a part of life now.
I also seem to visit or exist in very intricate and detailed worlds in my dreams ,where the architecture and visuals of my waking world , both those that exist in my own art work, and that of art work and architecture from pictures or movies I like , along with real places I have have visited combine into very detailed landscapes. I also recall those visuals very vividly at later dates from cues in my waking life. -
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Sat, December 20, 2008 - 7:10 PMBjarn ~ I was going to mention about the role of architecture in my dreams, but I thought it might be off the point. The truth is that architecture is an element that really seems significant in my dreams ~ I frequently dream about buildings and cities, often in themes dealing with mazes and buildings whose walls move around. -
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Sat, December 20, 2008 - 7:54 PM
i dream a lot about buildings and cities too, amiable ..it is
an almost constant element of the dream settings ..and a
lot of times there has been a distinctive maze-like feature
..and no moving walls ..but other perhaps equally unusual
features about the buildings
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Sat, December 20, 2008 - 8:00 PMI have had a dream where I was in one setting, and then walked into another room where I was in the setting of a previous dream I had had and made a conscious decision to return to the other room because I did not want to be sidetracked from the content of the present dream I was having. LOL! sheesh.
I have also had a recurring dream about being in a house where, when you walk through a particular door, you wind up in an attached exact duplicate of the entire house you were in, only the whole scene is different in as much as there was a group of people in the "first" house, and noone in the "second." -
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Sat, December 20, 2008 - 10:11 PM
"I have had a dream where I was in one setting, and then walked into another room
where I was in the setting of a previous dream I had had and made a conscious
decision to return to the other room because I did not want to be sidetracked from
the content of the present dream I was having. LOL! sheesh."
that is cool : )
have never done that, though the buildings recur sometimes and i'll
remember my way around ..except that they have usually changed in
some way
"I have also had a recurring dream about being in a house where, when you walk
through a particular door, you wind up in an attached exact duplicate of the entire
house you were in, only the whole scene is different in as much as there was a
group of people in the "first" house, and noone in the "second.""
i suspect geometry and architecture in your dreams have been more
symmetrical and complex than in my own perhaps : )
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Sat, December 20, 2008 - 10:21 PMWell, you know I really cannot account for that either. I am not a mathematical person, so the whole embedding in geometry does seem odd to me. Perhaps it has more to do with my being embedded instructures rather than being mathematical. I tend to compartmentalize things in my mind, too ~ always sorting and categorizing ~ my Virgo tendencies, I suspect.
The thing is that I really would much rather spend my time sleeping and dreaming than being in any other state. Oddly, it seems more natural to me, and my Neptune is really not all that strong. Well, whatever the reason, I have spent a lot of time sleeping and dreaming and have had some extraordinary experiences that have broken through into the "real world" as a result. I have lived some things I have drempt about, and acquired dream objects in RL as well. -
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Sat, December 20, 2008 - 11:02 PM
Hmm, reminds me of how i was as a child, my mind was very structured,
i was very structured, everything compartmentalized and always in order,
and i liked playing and drawing in geometric ways.
Sounds from your description like you're a strong dreamer. That is cool
My dreaming is mostly extremely mundane and sedate, usually some
equivalent of simple chores, everyday tasks, things like that. I've had a
total of maybe 10 dreams in my entire life that i consider 'odd' or
fascinating ..the building structures are often odd in some way ..but
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Re: dream curious...
Sat, December 20, 2008 - 11:43 PMThat might be a function of the amount of sleep you get,. You must understand that when I say I prefer to sleep, that means that I can sleep extraordinary lengths of time ~ actually put myself in suspended animation. Over a weekend, 30 hours would be no big deal. If sleeping were an Olympic sport, I for sure would make the team. I know the nuances among morning sleep, "small rests," mousenesting, night sleep, anytime of day sleep, sleeping and being awake, being awake and sleeping ~ you name it, in sleep, I no doubt have done it. -
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Sat, December 20, 2008 - 11:45 PMI don't really have any passions at this time of my life. But if I did, it would probably be sleep. -
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Sat, December 20, 2008 - 11:52 PMYes, I believe it would be. I think that for me it may be a function of having a life that feels like a waiting room. Oh, for sure you can observe all the people and read magazines and such and so forth. Ther is always something. At least, it seems to me, for as long as you need to wait. -
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Sun, December 21, 2008 - 12:21 AM
"it may be a function of having a life that feels like a waiting room."
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Sun, December 21, 2008 - 12:31 AMWell, yes, Toren. My own life. -
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Re: dream curious...
Sun, December 21, 2008 - 12:46 AM
"Well, yes, Toren. My own life."
You're saying you dont feel alive ..or that you feel like you 'dont
have a life' / like your life has yet to begin ..or that you feel like
you dont have your life to yourself due to some responsibility?
"some of my best sleeping is done when I am totally upset. I am able to
shut myself completely down as part of powering myself through a crisis."
i have known people like that. my sisters were like that.
"Now, remember, Toren, you know me. I am very much of the 12th House.
With a 12th House stellium basicaly in Leo, none of this surprises you in
the least, I suspect."
i havent made conclusions as to how 12th house you are yet. the evidence
is convincing, yes, but i first began to know you over speaking of a virgo
and uranian mix and then over something we were both worried about,
lots of highly conscious and logical (on your side anyway, heh) talk, so, yes,
more with dreams and imagination i understand your 12th house, not so
much with sleep though.
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Re: dream curious...
Sun, December 21, 2008 - 12:51 AM
i get what you're saying though ..leo would want to bask in the unconscious in the 12th -
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Sun, December 21, 2008 - 12:57 AMActually, for me, I do believe so. -
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Re: dream curious...
Sun, December 21, 2008 - 1:00 AMI have spoken of this to other 12th House people, but I just don't think most of them get it. But, then, perhaps I have a different frame of reference on it.
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Sun, December 21, 2008 - 12:55 AMWe just never got there.
< havent made conclusions as to how 12th house you are yet. the evidence is convincing>
Convincing? Of what do you need to be convinced?
I do not have freedom because my responsibilities are in operation is the answer to your question. I do not begrudge its importance, but I also do not kid myself about what it means to who I am.
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Re: dream curious...
Sun, December 21, 2008 - 1:23 AM
"Of what do you need to be convinced?"
as to just what a general description of amiable would be ..'amiable is very
12th house', ..'amiable is very virgo' ..etc., etc. ..general descriptive words
never to be taken too seriously nor literally ..that sort of thing
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Sun, December 21, 2008 - 1:35 AMMy mistake. I thought we knew each other a little better. NP. It is probably all for the best. -
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Re: dream curious...
Sun, December 21, 2008 - 1:47 AM
i think at this point in the conversation the internet is in the way
kaleidoscope-like ..i just wanted to assure you that the only
convincing i was concerned with there was in regards to the
shallowest though practical conceptual level ....certainly didnt
mean to make it look as if i dont have a much much deeper
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Sun, December 21, 2008 - 1:55 AMIt is really of no consequence. Do not worry yourself over it for a minute. -
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Sun, December 21, 2008 - 2:02 AMYeah. Cool, or whatever.
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Sun, December 21, 2008 - 12:12 AM
That reminds me of a virgo friend ..she makes sure to remind everyone
that the classic '8-hours of sleep' rule has no meaning in her world ..it
is 10 hours a night at least or she cannot function ..and she functions
extremely well.
I do sleep pretty good though, I think. I do get 8 hours most of the time,
I even learned to force it, to lay in bed after I woke to see if I was more
tired than I felt, and if its less than 8 hours I usually fall back to sleep.
I have a hard time sleeping if I dont feel at peace with someone or if I
am worried about someone or if I feel like someone needs me ..I will
stay up til I drop trying to sort things out or make sure someone's ok
..and then be very glad to get back to where I can sleep again.
I do not know sleep anything like you do though, heh : ) It would
probably be good for me if I could sleep like that ..it might be accurate
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Sun, December 21, 2008 - 12:24 AMOr, perhaps, somewhat abnormal. LOL. No, some of my best sleeping is done when I am totally upset. I am able to shut myself completely down as part of powering myself through a crisis. -
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Sun, December 21, 2008 - 12:27 AMNow, remember, Toren, you know me. I am very much of the 12th House. With a 12th House stellium basicaly in Leo, none of this surprises you in the least, I suspect. -
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Re: dream curious...
Sun, December 21, 2008 - 10:36 AMI do have conversations in my dreams, sometimes I can even look into someone's mind and heart and know exactly what they think and feel... -
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Sun, December 21, 2008 - 11:27 AMEver seek out a sage in your dreams and ask them stuff about your life. Dreamt about a person you met later on. Connected with a friend and exchanged information that you validated later?
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Re: dream curious...
Mon, December 22, 2008 - 2:25 PMDesertBlue said, "Yes, this is how most of my dreams are, rarely conversations. I've never really thought about this though and what it could mean."
Glad to hear I'm not alone!