How many Sensitive Empaths, have these situations ?

topic posted Sat, June 6, 2009 - 10:26 AM by  David
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How many Sensitive Empaths, have these situations ?

Feel others emotions as their own, hard to distinguish many times.
Have dietary restriction because of intolerance to foods like meat/flesh, dairy, wheat and similar grains, chocolate, unnatural man made sugars, food additives, and chemicals in general as far as that goes.

Because of these things and just how we are wired, prone to neurological problems like over fearfulness, dyslexia, ADHD and etc, obsessive compulsive behavior, depression, anxiety, and etc stress overload. Easily over stimulated by smells, light, sound, too many people, emotional aggressive people and etc. Easily over sexually stimulated, by how you are wired physically, but how others constantly send out mental, emotional, and pheromone signals.

How many are high IQ ed, and are able to sense all things at a much greater level. Having a much greater sense for every thing, I guess like some of our pet animals; like smelling and noticing things most are never even aware of.

I know that just like everyone else, Empaths come in different forms, and we all have greater abilities in some areas, but was wonder how many have most of these things to some degree?

David

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  • I think I am very average in that sense.
    I am not sensitive to anything, I have a very strong stomach, and I love strong impressions like loud music and (most) smells. I like to over load my senses at times.

    I never had my IQ measured, but I am sure it would be useless information anyway. It only revolves around a few aspects of the whole "human intelligence package".

    I am not easily stressed either. I have other peoples words for it too. Not that I wouldn't have the opportunity to be so, being in the middle of an exam project as a single mother of two, who's father is on his way to afghanistan in a couple of months... Stress would be there if I was prone to have it.

    But I am thinking... If stress is such a great part of being an empath, how would you know that it isn't the other way around? It is easy to feel lost emotionally during stress (I believe it is one of the symptoms?) and as human beings we are capable of feeling other peoples emotions (part of the normal empathy), like yelling, when someone else hurts himself, or laughing because someone else has just bursted out in laughter. It is very normal, and so during a period of stress, it is almost obvious to feel lost, maybe in other peoples emotions, maybe just lost.
    I mean, as a human being it is normal, and therefor not that it is something you can use as a way of describing an empath as such.
    • **"..and as human beings we are capable of feeling other peoples emotions (part of the normal empathy), like yelling, when someone else hurts himself, or laughing because someone else has just bursted out in laughter. It is very normal,.."**

      Malene, I heard a good comparison between 'empathetic' and 'empathic' that rings true for me. If one walks by an open hospital door - and sees a person sitting there with their leg bandaged up and showing signs of pain - an 'empathetic' person (most people) can almost imagine what it must feel like. Then they might have a emotional response to their own thoughts around that. An 'empathic' person may go by that same room - when the door is closed - and suddenly feel a strange sense of pain in their leg and emotional responses that do not come from direct perception.
      • "Then they might have a emotional response to their own thoughts around that."

        Not necessarily.
        If we take mirror neurons as example, the visual impressions we get (we = humans, not "we empaths") activates the mirror neurons into sending signals to other parts of the nervous system. The signals function the same way as if we ourselves experienced the thing we are watching. Another example could be to walk down the road, and a guy right in front of you jumps to the side. You will be alerted as well, because your brain has already released the transmitters to your body, that there is something going on.

        It is suggested that we create a filter in order to differentiate between what is relevant to us and what is not. i.e. it is not relevant for me, that the guy on the other side of the street jumps to the side, so my mirror neurons will not be activated by this.
        To some people, it is (subconsciously) relevant to know what kind of pain it would be to have that leg in bandage. And so that activates the mirror neurons in such a way that you actually do feel that pain.

        The ordinary empathy does function in the way that you are able to feel other peoples emotions, based on the stimuli of the ordinary senses. Some have great filters, others have very few filters.
        The "Iceman", a cold blooded hit man felt nothing towards killing anyone. He was incapable of feeling any kind of empathy towards his victims. But when he was asked about how his job effected the family life, it made him cry telling, that he had to leave one christmas eve because he had to work. So there was a huge filter in terms of empathy towards his victims, but no filter in terms of his family life.

        Because the victims were not relevant to him - his family was.
        I am sure, it all happens on a subconscious level.
        • The Iceman sounds like an extremely disciplined level of compartmentalization - either created consciously or unconsciously - for survival? The mirror neurons are interesting I wonder if there's been a study showing if Empathic people have more activity in the pre-motor and inferior parietal cortex.

          A distinction I was attempting to make between empathy/empathic was between having to see what was going on with someone (guy jumps to the side etc.) which sounds like levels of empathy as opposed to not even seeing the person and yet still picking up what is going on (maybe they are both just levels of the same mirror neuron activity? or something else altogether?) It does seems that everything we sense has come through some level of mirroring/filtering of our own.
          • Yes, I've had the same thoughts on empaths/mirror neurons, but then it would not be an empath, but a person with a high level of mirror neurons, which is also my theory in most cases, actually.

            But mirror neurons do not explain the impressions given through an online chat with someone. That is my personal distinguishing between empaths and people with a supposed higher level of mirror neurons. I mean, in the case where you can have confirmed, that you actually pick up on significant feelings from someone, and without these feelings being influenced by the mirror neurons or interpretations (like: he looks like he is in pain - his leg is in bandage - I feel a pain in my leg now)
  • Well David, I relate pretty much to all you listed except the sex thing (although I do turn bright red and have to look the other way with heavy kissing and what not in movies, lol). And I do well with a diet of mostly only organic veggies and organic/free range beef/bison, eggs and nuts/seeds (every thing else you listed knocks me out of balance).

    The empath tribes have really help me understand and respect that I am not "making it all up" and with the confidence and grounding I feel from that I can easily calm things or go around the energetic land mines. Oh as an aside I've found all of these things minimized if I stay well hydrated with pure clean water (seems to calm the nervous system and make it work more smoothly). And I changed my field of work so I don't have to work around a lot of people (so refreshing!).

    I doubt if my IQ is high (suspect it is normal) but my EQ (emotional understanding) scores are very high. I don't know that empaths/sensitives are wired so much to have more nervous system 'problems' but they may simply feel the imbalance quicker thus can balance it before it goes out too far?
  • Great question. I've always wondered about this too. For myself, I discovered that my IQ is around 133, the IQ of your average college professor. That didn't surprise me. I knew I was on the brighter side. What did surprise me was my EQ, or emotional quotient, was around 178. Interestingly enough, I do have a tendency towards and anxiety and depression.
    • I know that some of my problems are exacerbated by nerve damage caused by childhood and military duty vaccinations and chemicals, but then auto immune problems run on my mothers mothers side of the family, as well as the high IQ's I don't even quite know what my is, with damage to my brain, test twice, once by VA, once by social security, results at least 140 plus. Many things 140 to 160, abstract thinking 180 plus, but some things like short term audio and visual memory, 70 to 90.

      I think the Empathic sensitivity came from my Fathers mothers American Indian side, though I have native American on 3 of my family lines to a small degree.

      I read in mirror cells some time ago, it makes sense. Our brain hardwires pretty much by the time we are 8, but continues for most of the ones teen life and early adulthood. The pathways that get used the most, form more permanent pathways, I guess like freeways. Scientist know that when it happens, it can open up areas of the brain, most do not use as much. I think as I had a hard time remembering things, and failing at cognitive processes. To survive, my brain hardwired in sensing abilities to compensate, just like some who are blind, develop greater use of their hearing and other senses to cope and adjust to survive.

      So in stead of relieving on memory which was weak, I leaned to use the Right side of my Brain more and learned to sense and depend on it. It could be that the vaccinations caused some swelling and damage and open up some new areas too.

      Mirror cells, communicate from one person to another, and from what I under stand, Only our bodies physical part of our minds are limited to time and distance, our spirits and higher part of our mental functioning is not or does not have to be. I found when I had a need, that could not be met by local people or my expertise, that when I prayed for help, within a few days, it would just come to me, I could do it and how to do it as well. It was like sudden, some one loaded a new computer software package into my in head personal computer or something, I guess it is not something to describe. The innate ability was there, but new software or hard ware got plugged in or ???

      Do think it was already there , just needed to be aware of it or have it activated, maybe as strange as that sounds, but maybe that is not so strange. Many other types of genius's in life, suddenly open up new abilities when the need arises out of desperation.

      I asked the questions, because I know not all Empaths are alike, just like all piano players or etc. are not alike. I guess I am trying to understand myself more. I was always a Empath, but decades ago, I leaned to witch for water, then use a pendulem to see what herbs and food was good and bad for me. Then I learned to use muscle testing instead, then learned I could do it at a distance, order herbs and vitamins from a catalog. Then one day I found myself sensing what was wrong with me, and about foods without the using muscle testing. Then found myself sensing other peoples body functions I was near, besides their emoticons and feelings. Eventually I found I could do it at a distance too.

      Not sure if it is totally still mirror cells at a distance, or now other spiritual connections or channels are now also at work too. It seems that the spiritual gift of discernment is at play too. Spiritual gifts are given and inherited both, when we use them, they grow, if don't use them, they never develop and we are not aware of them, and if have them and use them, like a muscle they weaken and go away.

      It seems to be use it or loose, not matter what the ability or gift.

      More on hardwiring, when we continue to do things in a certain way, the Brain hardwires with those nerve pathways, I find you can look at it like a object set in motion, tends to stay in motion. How we think and feel can be a habit, from what I learned from past muscle testing chiropractor. He used to deprogram negative behavior, responses to foods and chemicals and bodily organ functions as well.

      I remember VA Psych counseling, and other Vets from the Viet Nam Era. They said late teens are still hardwiring there brains and when under such harsh negative death terror conditions or war, they can get hardwired like that. They were so used to chaos, that when not in a war zone or a war, they would subconsciously mess up their lives so they would feel ok. They are only at their best, and focused when their lives are screwed up in in hell, so to speak. They would keep messing up their lives when every thing were starting to go good for them, and never could never figure out why.

      If I had not had the vaccinations and chemical exposures, I don't think I would have the extreme problems maybe, but can't says that for sure. I do know that higher IQ ed person, tend to have neurological and mental/emotional problems. I am aware, that just like faster computers which run faster, brain nerve flow in higher IQ's are no different. It seems the faster and better something is, the more it tends to have problems and breaks down. But I know that is only a general statement, and is not the case in all cases. I did read a article years ago on high IQ kids, they are the ones who usually make the D's and F's in school, unable to adjust to the learning mode of every one else.

      I know I only really learn what I am passionate about, everything else is boring and does not find its way to my permanent memory very easily. But that too, is caused by poor short term memory.

      I find that the depression, anxiety and etc, all seem to be chemically related, tied to nerve damage and a weak endocrine system, nerves firing too easily and weak organs and etc, over responding or not responding fast of soon enough.

      I know that growing up, I always felt like a computer with part of the wires shorted out or disconnected.

      I don't really fully understand it all, I just know it works and rely on it.
      • Interesting David. I think a lot of our drama addiction/news addiction is due to having all those receptor sites and connections that we made during stressful childhoods and traumatic situations (like those young soldiers you mentioned). Thank goodness we can practice focusing on something else enough to create new pathways and healthier habits (if we so chose).

        **"I always felt like a computer with part of the wires shorted out or disconnected."**
        I can relate to your computer analogy, lol. Although, I've always felt more like I simply had way too many USB ports! and they were all in use! Love the part in the movie "What the Bleep Do we Know" that goes more into this receptor site info.
      • There was a post on developing psychic abilities about telepathy, which I found very interesting in terms of reading people from a distance.

        I don't think, there's an exchange going in terms of mirror neurons, that only functions within ones one body. The signals barely survive within the system, so I find it hart to believe that they could move outside the system in which they are created.
        But there are some other factors, which could be applied to this, which is neutrinos, and that is what this article suggests.

        I haven't had time to dig further into that aspect, but I am sure, that could be a possible explanation to i.e. online readings.

        psychictrips.tribe.net/thread...3b0d3e0
  • I'm new here. .so I'm really amazed that I read all that you are saying. It's difficult for me not to take in other's emotions as my own. But I do think that it has contributed to some form of depression and sometimes an overwhelming feeling of hopelessness for that particular moment.
  • I get overstimulated really easily, if it has to do with physical senses...like with museums or galleries or plays. I love them, but I can't take as much as some people can. It's just too much input. Loud sounds often make me anxious, too.

    "when not in a war zone or a war, they would subconsciously mess up their lives so they would feel ok."
    This part of your post really resonated with me...I got chills. I feel that is a lot of what I do. I haven't been in that horrific of a situation, but I had childhood trauma which still makes me uncomfortable with stability as an adult. I just panic when things are going smoothly. I feel stuck or inert. It's almost like I have equated suffering with making progress, so if I'm not suffering, I'm doing something wrong! Wow, I think I need to work on that for sure!
    • **"when not in a war zone or a war, they would subconsciously mess up their lives so they would feel ok." **

      I think society and media - and of course life/childhood/battlegrounds - continue to promote a fight-or-flight / survival way of living (no pain no gain). In fight-or-flight our senses are heightened and if one is born an empath then that is a doubly whammy. Finding balance in it seems to be all about, tuning out much of the media stuff, practice practice practice and my personal favorite "Fake it till you make it."

      I'm impressed that you can handle plays (I have trouble with these often) do you have to sit in the back to dampen down the energy?

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