I'm not sure what your reply has to do with what I said except as an indirect statement in relation to objective truth (there really isn't one when it comes to interpersonal relationships).

It remains that changing one's view requires internal effort, not the shifting of the world around them (wanting a different outcome, wanting to have acceptance rather than rejection, etc.).

John, my intent hadn't and hasn't changed.

What changed in my last reply to you is that I went from being stoic to feeling very hurt by the time I finished answering your accusations about my behaviour.

I didn't intend to abuse you in any way with my suggestions for stopping your posts from sounding as though you're speaking for everyone. I get it that you feel strongly that I was. I wouldn't question the fact that you felt abused or attacked by what I said. Because I respect that you feel what you feel, and that was abused and attacked. But, I will stand firmly by my awareness of my own intent. Which was not to attack or abuse in any way, or play games etc. My earlier posts to you were made with the intention of connection and sharing.

When I'm pissed off by what someone says or does and I feel the need to express my feelings to them about it, I tell them how I feel about what they have said or done. I avoid accusing them of doing things to me and stick with how I feel . This, because I want to avoid causing another unnecessary pain while letting them know clearly how I feel.

I do have an issue with being accused of things I haven't done. Or I wouldn't have felt the hurt I told you I felt in response to you expressing your anger to me the way you did. I'm not blaming you for how I felt. Just telling you that I would not have felt hurt if you had stuck with voicing your feelings and opinions rather than direct accusations about my behaviour.

I think it's possible to express anger, or any emotion to another genuinely, while doing one's best not to hurt them unnecessarily in the process. I don't think this has to involve "mincing words".

I think it's altogether possible we won't come to any kind of agreement about how to express one's feelings to another without unnecessarily causing them pain, because, well, I just think we see this very differently to one another.

Once again, I do respect your honesty.

-John-

Understand I am not responding to your post necessarily, however, I do want to state that (and this is for EVERYONE) we are either in Fear or Love!! Anything with fear attached, such as anger, and all those emotions we would rather deny are an expression for love. So we are either being Love or crying out for Love!! My perception has changed so much in the past two years...I don't see things in Black and White any more. There is no good or bad, right or wrong, life is what it is....experiences!! We can either deal with life from a stance of Love or Fear!! It is hard to come from a place of love when we see ourselves as 'being attacked'!! People don't attack me, they just have chosen to come from a place of fear!! Nothing is ever done to me....it is just life acting in accordance with life and I have made the decision to come from a place of Love!!

I adhere to "The Course In Miracles" philosophy in that life is just that...Life!! And it is how we deal with it that matters. I was sexually abused by many men and I have come a long with with that healing. If I continue to blame those who have wronged me then I remain a victim to life!! I am not a victim...I am just dealing with situations and circumstances that have landed on my path!! Fear is an Illusion and once we give it to God/The Great Spirit the better we will feel!!

So much anger and fear has been flying around this post!! I lift all those people who view themselves as 'being attacked' - To The Light!!

~peace~
Sherri

Hi Jazmin, This is kind of a long post, but there is a lot in it.

For quite some time I have understood why the unloving opposite polarity and Spirit Polarity people were attacking and rejecting me but I could never figure out why the Will Polarity, the people that also feel and empath, were also attacking and rejecting me and why they sided with the unloving ones? But now, thanks to this thread, I understand the subtle dynamics and the reasons behind the shift.

Will Polarity (Feeling People) have been imprinted and programmed by both the Spirit polarity and by themselves, to be the “savers” and “peace keepers” because any sign of conflict, of anger and rage means trouble for the Will Polarity because of unresolved and denied issues around the expression of anger and rage both in themselves and others. To avoid conflict and especially anger and rage, Will Polarity people step in to try to resolve the conflict, because they have been activated into their imprints and programs.

The ironic twist is that all this is only made possible because of the issues and denials present in the Will Polarity people. When I first posted in this thread, I wasn’t feeling attacked by Fenix, but as the posts became more aggressive, and in denial, and I could feel a cool aloft blue and what I call “mental word games” and a presence and pressure (a push or feeling of being rejected)

The twist here is that Jazmin couldn’t “feel” Fenix like I could and she isn’t aware of things like I am. She believed that because she felt nothing from Fenix, that there was no problem. BUT what she didn’t realize is that the feeling of “nothing” is the problem. In my experiences, the only reason that one doesn’t feel another’s feelings or emotions is because there are none to feel.

Because Jazmin couldn’t “feel” fenix, she had to go on what her programs told her and that was the “mental word game” which just so happens to also be an issue that Jazmin has. Jazmin wants people to be “nice” and to say things in a nice and correct way so as to avoid any conflict and possible anger and rage being expressed.

While Jazmin couldn’t feel Fenix, she could definitely feel me and what she felt from me was my anger and rage at being attacked by Fenix. Jazmin became activated into her old imprints and programs and her belief that the person who she is feeling… and is expressing their anger, is the problem and that the person that she couldn’t feel anything from and was “just talking” was not the problem. While people like Fenix may ACT like they have feelings, there is nothing there except the cool blue aloftness that I mentioned, except of course, when they show their true colours and then it’s a “blue streak” that leaves no doubt what and who they are.

It’s all beginning to make sense to me. Now another twist in all this is that Jazmin was activated, and so she posts her conflict resolution technique suggesting that I alter my behavior and be nicer.. like Fenix.. I now felt attacked by Jazmins unloving energy, unloving because she is in denial of her real issues as to why she tries to avoid conflict and tries to be a peace maker.. I also felt attacked because she never wrote Fenix, suggesting to her, that she do what she was suggesting I do. Again, Jazmain didn’t think or believe that Fenix was a problem because she felt nothing from her that activated her. Since Jazxmin is now attacking me, Fenix jumps in and supports Jazmin and also continues her verbal attack on me.. not directly, but through Jazmin.

Fenix, you will notice hasn’t responded to my question that I posted about 5 or 6 posts back as to what she is doing in this tribe if she denies that she is an empath or that feelings are important.

And Jazmin, if you still doubt what I say is true, I have a challenge for you. I don’t need Fenix’s response to know the truth, but this is for your experience. You don’t have to do this, but what I’m asking you to do, is to read, but more importantly, “feel” not only what I said in that post, but also what Paul wrote in the “Empath Alike” statement. Then I’d like you to pose the same question that I originally posted, to Fenix. All it takes from Fenix is a simple “yes” and “no” to each of the two questions.

I’d be pleasantly surprised if I was wrong, but Fenix can’t or wouldn’t answer the questions directly because in replying, she would be admitting that she was either lying in her posts to me, or she would be exposing her true intent, her true colours. Of course she will reply that now I’m the one that is controlling and manipulating you and twisting words around to suit my hidden agenda, or whatever she can up with that will take the focus off of her and put it on me, but that is something that you will have to feel for yourself.

Anyway, thank you Jazmin and Fenix for this activation, experience and the insights. I couldn’t have done it without you. It’s yet, another piece of the puzzle that I’ve discovered on my journey.

John

Hi Rising : )

Maybe other people have somethng to learn from this and you can remove yourself from it entirely because it doesn't even seem as if this topic is about you as much as others have made it about theirselves. You've taken what you could of advice and experience and after reading your last post about setting free what was on your mind, I percieve you to have let things flow as you said. Anything left here seems to be a waste of your precious energy : ) Don't let anyone suck it out of you... including others whom can't see past their own nose.

Much love to ya sista!

Katrina

friend, don't let the impediments of others become your own. we choose. always. the best gift you can ever give someone lost in negativity, self-deception, and anger is not to add to their struggles... silence is thus, always best. we all have struggles, some have a need to spread them on the table for everyone to 'enjoy'... but most are wise enough to know it is a personal journey. when they do not, simply make the choice not to accept them from others. things as they are and even what so often looks ugly serves its purpose for the one lost in it... realize that the only burdens you ever carry are those you accept.

hehe don't take their tangent personally just cos it's in the same thread as your post -- it's not 'your fault' -- they don't like each other's discussion styles or something. i don't read the posts... those two (i think?) sorting things out... :)

wow, both of you are acting like children, let it go. the arguements, and mud slinging is silly, both of you disagree, okay, now move on.

and where is your so-called love in that ... SSDD

"So called"... Where did I claim for there to be in that dialogue? Just honesty my muddy friend.